Navigation

RSS 2.0 New Entries Syndication Feed Atom 0.3 New Entries Syndication Feed

Show blog menu v

 

General

Use it

Documentation

Support

Sibling projects

RIFE powered

Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional

Valid CSS!

Blogs : Archives

< [BEWARE] Apple Boot Camp trashed my Mac partition   Parallels VM on MacOSX : wonderful but not there yet >
Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)

I finally finished the entire Boot Camp installation process and now have both MacOSX and WindowsXP fully configured and running on my Macbook Pro 2.16Ghz.

Installation
See my pictures of the installation process.

I installed the following software on WindowsXP and I extensively tested them. Generally, the speed and the stability is wonderful. It's a lot better even than the Acer Ferrari 4005 laptop I bought 3 months ago (anyone wants to buy it?). I'd actually go as far to say that I've never seen Windows run as well on a laptop. Who would have thought!

Graphics are fully accelerated both 2D and 3D, and even The Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion, a game that was released last week, looks beautiful and plays very fluidly.

Oblivion
See a movie of Oblivion on Macbook Pro.

Setting everything up wasn't as easy as I'd hoped. These are my findings:

  • When Boot Camp finished partitioning my hard drive to create a separate WindowsXP partition, the kernel of MacOSX crashed with the typical gray overlay screen.
  • After rebooting manually, by keeping the power button pressed for a long time, I was able to start the WindowsXP installation process from CD by just keeping the CD inside.
  • The WindowsXP installation works even when you have a Service Pack 1 installation medium. Not all the drivers that Apple burns to the driver CD work, but the wireless driver does. I was able to download Service Pack 2 from the Windows partition and apply it after the installation. With Service Pack 2 installed, all the drivers function perfectly.
  • When I tried to reboot to MacOSX afterwards, this wasn't possible. After investigation with Disk Utility from the MacOSX installation DVD, I found that the Mac partition had been damaged beyond repair during the process. Make sure you backup your data!
  • I erased the entire MacOSX partition and reinstalled MacOSX freshly on it, since then I haven't had a single problem.

Oblivion
See a movie of MacOSX rebooting into WindowsXP.

Here are some miscellaneous notes:

  • You can use MacDrive 6 for basic file operations on the MacOSX partition from within WindowsXP. Sadly, when a lot of files are involved this tool doesn't seem stable and locks up WindowsXP. I was unable to compile RIFE on the Mac partition from within WindowsXP, I had to create a separate checkout.
  • However, MacOSX is able to read NTFS partitions, this is great find!
  • The Macbook Pro's trackpad hasn't got a second mouse button, you can simulate it by pressing Shift+F10.
  • Sadly, the scrolling on the trackpad isn't working on WindowsXP, which is a real shame since I love to use gestures for scrolling, it's one of the things I prefer about the Macbook Pro.
  • The function key isn't working either, which results is being unable to use the following important keys: page up, page down, home, end and delete.
  • Due to the inability to press a delete key, you can't issue ctrl+alt+delete without an external keyboard.
  • I'm unable to find a keyboard layout that matches the Belgian layout of the Macbook Pro, a lot of keys are thus not the same.
  • Don't try the iSight with Windows camera support (USB Video Device), you'll get a blue screen of death.

On a small side-note, people have always been skeptical about Apple's Java VM, saying that it's less performant that Sun's, etc etc. Now it's possible however to test Sun's JDK 1.5.0_06 on WindowsXP and Apple's J2SE 5.0 Release 4 DP7 with the exact same hardware. The results are very interesting. I ran RIFE's web engine tests and these are the timings:

WindowsXP225 seconds
MacOSX173 seconds

I don't know if it's the efficiency of MacOSX itself, or if the JVM implementation is better, but as it turns out Java on MacOSX is 30% faster than on WindowsXP. How's that for proof that MacOSX really is the best Java developer OS out there!

posted by Geert Bevin in Apple on Apr 6, 2006 6:50 PM : 27 comments [permalink]
 

Comments

Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
You are playing Oblivion, too! I bought the game last Saturday because I just had to check how good the AI was. Indeed, it is very good. I've messed around with the guards and got them to do some un-usual things, such as them running back to town to re-supply themselves with arrows after running out from shooting at and missing me.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Just tried it out actually, borrowed the DVD from my brother in law. I wanted to see if it would run well on the Macbook Pro first. Since it does so marvellously, I'll buy the game this weekend.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
GREAT entry... Apple Store i am coming ;)
DO NOT BUY OBLIVION!
Guys you really need to understand this video shows the computer chopping and skipping already, this is in an indoor enviroment! When you go outside of that cave the game will slow down to almost a CRAWL! This video is a horrible evaluation of performance! Do not buy a Mac book and think this plays like a dream it really really doesent.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Weird, I thing this video looks a bit choppy due to the recording or so. I can assure you that it plays amazingly well. My girlfriend is trying it out right now on the 30" screen and it looks and feels terrific. I'll record a new video in a little while.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Here is another recording, though it's difficult to get the colors right with a stupid photo camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fia-RZik5p4
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Geert, you really rock! Thanks a lot for that report. Also some very interesting findings in there: like the performance comparison of the apple vs. the sun jvm and problems with several (for windows) essential keys.

I'm thinking of switching from Windows to MacOSX, but I have two reservations:

1. How well does Eclipse work on OSX (it is absolutely essential for me)?

2. How well does OpenOffice 2.x work on OSX (it is our company standard and would be an absolute showstopper for me if that doesn't work as good on OSX than on Windows)?
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
A couple things.... firstly, I have been unsuccessful so far in making this work on my imac. Boot Camp does its thing just fine, makes the Apple drivers CD, and I am able to install Windows XP Pro SP2. The problem comes when I try to install the Apple drivers in Windows. It gets to a point in installation ("Registering drivers" or something like that) and gives a fatal error (Error -1603) and rolls back installation of all the drivers. It leaves windows without network and the display (20 inch imac, ATI X1600) at 1600x1050x32bpp@60Hz. The biggest problem is the lack of network.

I can answer the second of Mike's questions: OOo 2.x looks like absolute crap on OS X. That's actually one of the things I need from Windows at this point, because I refuse to spend any money on office:mac and currently still require MS Word compatibility. OOo 2 was very nice on linux and windows, and perfectly useable. Horrid on os x.

Gonna go see if I can find any more info about the driver install failing.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Update: I'm an idiot. I really thought my copy of XP was already at SP2. It's not; it's SP1. I'm going to slipstream SP2 at some point in the next day or so and see how it goes then.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
First thanks for some great information on Boot Camp. I wanted to comment on the use of Eclipse on OS X. We use it for developement and it works great with a few issues. There is no debugger support so you will have to go without. I use it on an iBook, Power Book, and a Powermac G5. All work fine.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Eclipse works great on my Powerbook. I personally prefer IntelliJ Idea. I find it a lot easier to develop in that IDE.

Was the X1600 using the stock clock rate during benchmarking? It would make a huge difference if it was overclocked.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Hi, I appreciate any help in advance. I'm trying to install and play Oblivion on my MacBook Pro but whenever I start it up, it doesn't allow it, saying something about an NiXadapter. Anybody help?
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
I am unable to get past step 2 on the bootcamp installation guide on my new macbook pro. After I download Bootcamp assistant and run the package, I am unable to get even the prompts for the partition to run. Is anyone familiar with this problem? I am stuck and would appreciate any tips!
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
How did...

I'm trying to upgrade to xp sp2 just as you did, but my driver installation crashes before it gets to the wireless card, so I can't access teh internet. I got the sp2 upgrade file onto the Windows partition, but it hasn't worked either.

So how did you get the wireless driver (and the other sp1 compatible drivers for that matter) to work, and after that, by what method did ou upgrade to sp2?
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
I didn't do anything special, the wireless card driver just worked. I upgraded to SP2 by downloading it from the Microsoft website.
Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Whilst installing windows XP Home Ed, at the setup page, the window freezes and asks me to press "enter" to continue, upon doing that nothing happens... What should i do
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Don't try to install with a mighty mouse plugged in, doesn't work! Freezes at the first "press enter" part of the install process
oblivion: help?
:i need help running oblivion.exe i have installed the game but when i try to run it, it had an error.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Hi,
about one week ago i installed xp on my Macbook, everything worked fine apart from the partition i made for windows was to small to try out other stuff,
so i restored my mac partition and reset up i bigger partition for windows,
now when i install xp it works fine untill i insert the Mac driver disc and try to install it after a while the mouse pointer freezes and i cant do anything, even when i restart windows the mouse pointer will not move,
have you seen this problem, i have reinstalled xp five times now but it does the same thing when i try to install the mac drivers,
i have downloaded the latest version of boot camp and reburnt a driver disc as well also my firmware is up todate
Lee
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
i'm having the same problem as Lee is having. I'm running a Macbook Pro. and when i install the mac drivers it gives the blue screen of death. it runs fine with out them on but it's so basic. the OS i installed was XP Pro Corp SP2 on a FAT32 32gig partision. Anyone got any clue how to fix it?
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
right well i'm on my third go.

1st time round I made the mistake of trying to connect to the internet with the firewire port before installing the macbook drivers in win xp.

i had many startup issues, restarting wasn't an option i had to switch off and on the computer again in order for it to continue. things like the first initial run of windows after putting the mac drivers in resulted in asking about safe mode, or last known configuration. lots of drivers missing, impossible to re run the drivers cd.

second time round was a bit better but only in fat32 which isnt adequate for my needs. my question is, the pci device under the pcmcia adaptor (why it calls it this i'll never know as its an expresscard 34 slot) has no assigned driver, it also says one is not required. if so , why the big frightening yellow exclamation mark?

same for a usb human interface device, it does the same. which human interface device? i mean the keyboard and mouse work fine, so does the screen. is there a scratch and sniff panel i didn't know about?

so i am trying again under ntfs, taking pains to shut down rather than restart after every step.

any feedback about these issues would be greatly appreciated as i am holding off any external hardware installation or software packages until i know where i am with all this.

bugger, its done that i can't restart thing again. here we go.........
Help
So we successfully installed a copy of Windows with boot camp but as it was a previously used Windows OS the validation code was previously used. After a month it expired and Windows will no longer boot. So we get another legit copy of Windows and now we can't get Boot Camp to run. How do I get the old copy totally removed so that I can rerun a new edition?

Thanks!
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
If you want to remove the Windows partition then open up BootCamp Assistant from Applications > Utilities in OSX, and select anything along the lines of Remove Windows Partition or Restore To Original Mac OSX Partition.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
I have already successfully installed XP (SP2) with the very first Bootcamp. Things work fine (although the apple bluetooth keyboard is flakey sometimes). Now that Bootcamp 1.2 beta is out, is there a way to run it and get the updated drivers without starting the whole XP installation again. I just want the drivers not the whole shebang. Thanks.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Yeah, I think you can just make a drivers disk from the BootCamp utility. I've been updating drivers several times already.
Re: Apple Boot Camp installation report (with valuable tips, pictures and videos)
Thanks! I'll give it a try tonight.
Apple can't Boot from windows xp CD
i'm install boot camp. when they ask to insert windows xp sp2 cd & click windows xp instalation button.i'm press the button the machine restarts but nothing appeares in the screen after some times show a folder image with a qustion mark what can i do.........i'm using an external DVD Rw it works with mac osx instalation disk .i'm install mac osx with this drive......internal dvd drive is out of order

Add a new comment

Comments on this blog entry have been closed.

< [BEWARE] Apple Boot Camp trashed my Mac partition   Parallels VM on MacOSX : wonderful but not there yet >
 
 
 
Google
rifers.org web